InterNREN minutes of meeting 13-01-2010

InterNREN meeting II - minutes of meeting

13.1.2010 @ CSC, Helsinki - Finland

Participants:
Harri Kuusisto, CSC/Funet, Chair
Sami Andberg, CSC/Funet
Martin Beck, Uni-C
Lars Fischer, Nordunet (13:15-)
Gitte Kudsk, Uni-C
Tiina Leiponen, CSC/Funet
Jari Miettinen, CSC/Funet
Juha Oinonen, CSC/Funet
Jorgen Qvist, Nordunet
Magnus Stromdal, UNINETT

Not present:
Ingrid Melve, UNINETT
Dan Monster, Forskningsnettet
Marius Olafsson, RHNET
Hans Wallberg, SUNET

1. Introduction

• What's happened earlier, short introduction
• Today's schedule was presented by Harri Kuusisto

2. Last meeting minutes

• https://wiki.nordu.net/display/NORDUwiki/minutes+of+last+meeting
• lightpath service description ready to be distributed to participants
• legal and financial issues are always complex in regard to joint services and content sharing

3. Setting up a mailing list

• dediced to set up InterNREN list on NORDUnet listserve
• PR has already com@nordu.net -list
  • PR would like to get cc from list discussions related to PR or marketing

4. Round Table

4.1 Funet update (Harri Kuusisto)

• several national lightpaths, a couple of international ones
• IPTV expanding, but still waiting for the 'breakthrough'
  • 'Finnish researchchannel' in planning phase
    • already in use just for live broadcasts
  • Terena task force TF-Media started 1.1.2010
• certificate service starting
  • based on Terena/Comodo service
  • launching 01/2010
  • personal certificates H1/2010
• other services in planning phase
  • video conference service
  • web conference service
  • video sharing service ("university youtube")
• new customer collaboration program 'Funet Compass'
  • serves as an umbrella for different Funet working groups (AccessFunet, MobileFunet, VideoFunet)
• discussion about Funet's customer satisfaction surveys
  • recognisability of some Funet services quite low among customers
    • Martin: sometimes the recognition is not important, if the users are happy and everything works

4.2 SUNET (Jorgen Qvist) - no one from SUNET present

• Adobe Connect service launched and operational
• 'pirate bay for closed communities'
  • developing backend with UNINETT (Jan Mayer)
    • to be launched within next couple of months
• IPTV on hold

4.3 UNINETT (Magnus Stromdal)

• New services
  • Filesender (cloudstore)
    • UNINETT, SURFnet, HEAnet, AARnet
      • AARnet doing the development
    • sharing of large files
    • Kalmar-compliant
    • meeting next week in Ireland
    • discussion: could be Nordunet service with layouts for all member NRENs
  • confusa (grid sertificates)
    • based on Terena sertificates (eScience Personal CA)
    • SURFnet going to run the operational portal for 6-7 involved NRENs
    • reason to do it - getting the certificate approved by European PMA can take up to a year
  • eCampus program
    • includes open archive, local archive, applications, portal and is based on GigaCampus eInfrastructure
    • work items, starting 1.1.2010
      • sharing of lectures
      • video conference infrastructure
      • architecture
    • idea: rent-a-geek - to get an UNINETT person to work at the local campus for a week or so
    • plan to help IT departments better to support their customers (teaching staff) and related needs
    • work chain: media production - preparing - distributing

4.4 Uni-C (Martin Beck)

• New Anti-SPAM service developed by Uni-C
  • normally email is received (stored), then analysed and processed.
  • in this service the mail is received and analysed before acknowledging it to sender
  • virus-infected emails never passed through
  • if deemed spam, result is 'rejected' with return code 554
    • accompanied by an URL, on which human sender can pass 'anti-spam' filter to resend it
  • Can utilise LDAP, Radius, AD, "SMTP Interruptus" (testing RCPT TO from email reader server)
• plans to make iPass Kalmar-compliant
• "NREN on tour"
  • suitcase (with a modified laptop) and a satellite dish as an NREN-to-go for researchers on the field
• interest to develop something along the lines of Janet Collaborate: http://www.ja.net/development/janet-collaborate/index.html

4.5 RHnet

• no one present

4.6 NORDUnet (Jorgen Qvist)

• no plans to launch any services

5. InterNREN services Questionnaire 2 results (Sami Andberg)

• there was a problem with questionnaire, not possible to tick multiple answers (ie. in video conferencing questionnaire)
• All respondents were interested in joint best practises Wiki for IPTV
• Lightpaths
  • Martin; not so much in use yet (in research/education); no problem to provide material when user cases exist
  • in use for connecting distributed campuses
• Foodle - federated doodle, already in production

6. InterNREN group charter (Harri Kuusisto)

6.1 Harri presented set of possible tasks for working group

• discussion
  • sharing marketing material would be good, but joint marketing (like joint brochures) would be hard
    • there are national differences in services and their details
  • Géant planning joint PERT marketing
  • Martin: starting with one good service is more effective than trying to solve all legal (and other) issues on a general level for 'all services'
  • Jorgen: Couldstore could be one piloting application
  • Lars F: finding candidates and especially proposing pilots should be emphasis of the group
  • Tiina: there could be 'home pages for services' on Nordunet web pages - which could then be linked to national services
  • Martin: generating a service map (table) from services available at NRENs is the most important thing
    • need for an editor to compile the list
    • Jorgen: link the descriptions to the actual service descriptions on the web
    • Harri: need for subcategories
    • Jari: categories have been selected in Terena MSP/LCPM (Koen Schelkens from BELNET)
  • Lars: joint Nordic booth at major conferences?
    • Tiina: need for interesting products and participants
  • sharing marketing material and ideas (underway in PR)
  • find candidates for pilots
  • Martin on Legal and contractual issues: after setting a service up, reporting to other group members on how it was done (legally), etc.
  • Lars on Finding candidates: should also propose to CTOs to implement them (at least some)
  • Magnus on Finding candidates: first pilot a service lightly so see if it has potential among users. If it looks promising, then propose it to CTOs and start
    legal- and translation processes.
  • Jorgen on Finding candidates: expand national services to 'Nordunet-shared services'
• Harri wrote draft to be submitted for next day's CTO meeting:
  • Draft can be found from interNREN wiki-page: https://wiki.nordu.net/display/NORDUwiki/NORDUnet+inter-NREN+Forum

6.2 Planning

• Magnus: there should be a presentation about the group at TNC 2011
• Lars: need for deadlines (milestones and goals) for specific tasks
  • like; the service map shoult exist by the end of Q3/2010
  • the need for todo-tickets

7. Next inter NREN -meeting

• Meeting in-person important in the setup phases
  • Jorgen: OF meeting in Trondheim in mid-April (12.-13.4 ?) - might be adjoined?
  • Magnus: eCampus doing study tour to JISC conference in March (12.-13.4.)
  • preliminary date for next interNREN-meeting is 14.4.2010 @Trondheim

8. Any other business (AOB)

• User cases
  • already on PR wiki
• Best Practises
  • Martin: general 'best practises' compilation is too large to start up with
    • best practises for IPTV, Anti-SPAM etc would be useful
  • Martin: example: how to set up media archive 'best practises' from each - then compare them
    • Jorgen: good way, focused and goal oriented
    • Lars: one service could be on the agenda for each meeting
• Plagiarism detection
  • Martin:
    • compares text to previous texts and internet resources
    • would it be a good idea to purchase software jointly instead of every university acquiring one?
• Suggestions for potential services
  • Foodle
  • Cloudstore
  • Anti-SPAM

9. Meeting ended at 16:00 as was planned

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